talenti Chiarimento su talento "Veleno di serpente"

[PILAF]

avrei una domanda da porre sul talento ''veleno di serpente''( perfetto sacerdote) che rinunciando ad un uso di forma selvatica fornisce un attacco con il morso che avvelena(1D6 cos// 1D6 cos) ma viene considerato un attacco secondario con un malus di -5.

ora, nn essendo armato, colui che usa il talento puo' considerare il morso come attacco principale?

[Kursk]

Direi di si... se lo fai come unico attacco...

Ma non ci giurerei...

[Fiore di Loto]

Detta cosi...Secondo me no.

Il morso rimane sempre un attacco secondario...Non è che attaccando solo col morso diventi più bravo a colpire...

Ma potrei sbagliarmi... :ka:

[daemon]

rimango anchio del dubbio che rimanga secondario...in forma umana, naturalmente se ti trasformi in un lupo per esempio e poi utilizzi questo talento utilizzando un altro slot di forma selvatica, avendo il lupo, come attacco primario nonchè unico il morso...fai un pò tu...

[Ishatar]

Su un altro topic ho postato un estratto delle SRD e uno delle FAQ per rispondere ad una domanda, la cosa bella che mi sono accorto che gli stessi estratti rispondono anche a questa! Quindi:

Attack

This line shows the single attack the creature makes with an attack action. In most cases, this is also the attack the creature uses when making an attack of opportunity as well. The attack line provides the weapon used (natural or manufactured), attack bonus, and form of attack (melee or ranged). The attack bonus given includes modifications for size and Strength (for melee attacks) or Dexterity (for ranged attacks). A creature with the Weapon Finesse feat can use its Dexterity modifier on melee attacks.

If the creature uses natural attacks, the natural weapon given here is the creature’s primary natural weapon. If the creature has several different weapons at its disposal, the alternatives are shown, with each different attack separated by the word “or.”

A creature can use one of its secondary natural weapons when making an attack action, but if it does it takes an attack penalty, as noted in the Full Attack section below.

The damage that each attack deals is noted parenthetically. Damage from an attack is always at least 1 point, even if a subtraction from a die roll reduces the result to 0 or lower.

La parte in neretto dice che se vuoi utilizzare un tuo attacco naturale secondario (com'è il caso del tuo morso avvelenato) dei considerare la penalità di -5 all'attacco.

A riprova di ciò:

What happens when a monster has a high base attack

bonus, and it uses a manufactured weapon along with a

secondary natural weaponry? For instance, suppose a 5thlevel

lizardfolk fighter wields a battleaxe. What would this

creature’s attack routine be?

Just add the natural secondary attacks to the manufactured

attacks the creature can make. Assuming that the example

character has five fighter levels, she has a base attack bonus of

+6 (+1 for being a lizard folk, +5 for fighter levels). Assuming

the character doesn’t use a shield, she has two natural

secondary attacks available—her bite and her free claw. She

has a –5 penalty when using a natural secondary weapons. So,

when the character uses the full attack action, her attack routine

is +6/+1 melee (battleaxe)/+1 melee (bite)/+1 melee (claw).

However, if the example character were using the standard

attack action instead, she could make only one attack.This

single attack could be a +6 if she used the manufactured

weapon or a claw (a lizard folk’s claws are the primary natural

weapon), or +1 if the character chooses to bite. You always

take the secondary weapon penalty when you use a secondary

natural weapon (see the Monster Manual glossary).