classi Touchsight vs darkstalker

[Paro222]

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DARKSTALKER (feat)

You have learned how to stalk and surprise creatures

whose senses are very different from those of a

humanoid.

Benefi t: When you hide, creatures with blindsense,

blindsight, scent, or tremorsense must

make a Listen check or a Spot check (whichever DC

is higher) to notice you, just as sighted creatures would make

Spot checks to detect you. You cannot hide in plain sight unless

you have that ability as a class feature. In addition, you can fl ank

creatures that have the all-around vision special quality.

Normal: Creatures with these senses do not need to make

Spot or Listen checks to notice other creatures within range.

Creatures with all-around vision can’t be fl anked.

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Blindsight (Ex)

Using nonvisual senses, such as sensitivity to vibrations, keen smell, acute hearing, or echolocation, a creature with blindsight maneuvers and fights as well as a sighted creature. Invisibility, darkness, and most kinds of concealment are irrelevant, though the creature must have line of effect to a creature or object to discern that creature or object. The ability’s range is specified in the creature’s descriptive text. The creature usually does not need to make Spot or Listen checks to notice creatures within range of its blindsight ability. Unless noted otherwise, blindsight is continuous, and the creature need do nothing to use it. Some forms of blindsight, however, must be triggered as a free action. If so, this is noted in the creature’s description. If a creature must trigger its blindsight ability, the creature gains the benefits of blindsight only during its turn.

* Blindsight never allows a creature to distinguish color or visual contrast. A creature cannot read with blindsight.

* Blindsight does not subject a creature to gaze attacks (even though darkvision does).

* Blinding attacks do not penalize creatures using blindsight.

* Deafening attacks thwart blindsight if it relies on hearing.

* Blindsight works underwater but not in a vacuum.

* Blindsight negates displacement and blur effects.

e questo potere....

Touchsight (power)

You generate a subtle telekinetic field of mental contact, allowing you to “feel” your surroundings even in total darkness or when your sight would otherwise be obscured by your physical environment. Your touchsight field emanates from you out to 60 feet. You ignore invisibility, darkness, and concealment, though you must have line of effect to a creature or an object to discern it. You do not need to make Spot or Listen checks to notice creatures; you can detect and pinpoint all creatures within 60 feet. In many circumstances, comparing your regular senses to what you learn with touchsight is enough to tell you the difference between visible, invisible, hiding, and concealed creatures.

Augment: For every 2 additional power points you spend, the radius of your touchsight field increases by 10 feet.

secondo voi una persona con darkstalker, nascosto, viene sgamato automaticamente da qualcuno con questo potere o ha diritto alla sua bella prova di nascondersi contrapposta a osservare?

[Subumloc]

Secondo me, dal momento che touchsight ha una descrizione specifica, invece di dire "guadagni blindsight", darkstalker non riesce a "fregarlo".

[thondar]

Darkstalker RAW funziona contro i poteri elencati e touchsight non compare tra essi. C'è da dire però che è un potere psionico e quindi potrebbe rientrare nella regola della trasparenza ed essere accorpato ad uno dei suddetti poteri (a discrezione del dm).